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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby jack bellinger » Sat Jan 28, 2017 11:04 pm

Machiel
looks like Goodwood to me
looking at the car ..
cant see a Rollbar or a side mirror
and it would be interesting to try and see the tyre wall
perhaps someone can recognise the tread pattern

makes you wonder what year this was taken

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby Bill Hughes » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:09 am

Hi there,
Along with the photo was a slip of paper with "Dickie Shepherd-Barron's Morgan +4"
Based upon this, I looked into results online, RS-B was entered in the 18th August 1962 Goodwood Tourist Trophy in the 'Morgan Motors' team, running car number 31, DNF.
The trackside tower in the distance looks like the BP tower which shows up in contemporary shots of Goodwood.
A link to a close up of the tyre is below at max resolution (no markings visible to my eyes, but good tread pattern detail):
http://www.morganseriesone.com/170GWP/170GWPtyre.jpg
Another question, as a novice in +4SS matters, was it usual to have reversed louvres on the air inlet?
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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby machiel kalf » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:44 am

Hallo Bill.,

Yes, the louvres are correct.

I have the set of 2 books named: A record of motor racing at Goodwood by Robert Barker.. This book is fenomenal if it comes to information about all the races ever at Goodwood.
I checked the date 18th of August 1962. At 3.00 pm that day there was a 100 lap race: 27th RAC Tourist Trophy. With Le Mans start.
The Morgan team:
Start number 31: Richard Shepherd Barron, Morgan +4 (no reg. number mentioned) the car broke down in lap 35.
Start number 32: Pip Arnold, Morgan +4 (XRX5) (I am not sure this reg. number is correct......ended at the 14 place after 83 laps
Start number 33: Chris Lawrence Morgan +4 (TOK258) ended 8th after 89 laps.

What you see that they never talked about Morgan +4 SUPER SPORTS!! They annouced them as +4. What's, to my opnion, is correct.

Bill, and all others who read this: If you have the possibility to come to the SPARE FAIR, Abbey Hotel, Malvern: Date: 26th of February. Starts: 10.00 am.

The Morgan Historic Register has a stand! We love to meet you there!!

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby machiel kalf » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:53 am

Hallo Jack,

Well, the start number is correct if you compair it with the records I have of that race at Goodwood: 18th of August, 1962. That's 2 months after Le Mans!

How interesting this all is!

Do we see you at the Spare Fair? 26th of February. Abbey Hotel?

Best regards,

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby machiel kalf » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:53 am

Dear All,

Bill was to kind to make a good quality scan of the photo he showed us. I made a print of it. After that I went to my archive to put that print in it.
There I found something interesting about the same weekend at Goodwood. I have another, not very good "photo" with all the 3 Morgans who where in the same team, on it. Some young boys where looking at the cars/ Morgans.

Interesting was an email of Richard Shepherd Barron where he explaines where the nickname "Dickie" came from:

"Dickie", - well, all a stupid story. I worked in 1958/59/60 with Thomson & Taylor (Brooklands) Ltd at Cobham and Blyfleet in Surrey. They were then the Alfa Romeo concessionaires for The UK (remember I was racing an Alfa) and as well as the garage at Cobham their works at Byfleet could make literally anything- including the Brooklands Napier-Ralton and John Cobb's car that took the World land speed record after WWII. Many years later, Ron Dennis of McLaren started working there as an apprentice!
Anyway, The General Manager there used to call me "Dickie" as a joke- unfortunaly, Raymond Baxter of the BBC heard this and used it in a friendly way in his TV commentaries. Friends and family thought it was hilarious and it didn't mind. Penny used to say that if someone said to her "Oh, I know your husband Dickie very well" then it meant he didn't .............

A great story!

Let's hope more photos are popping up.......

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby jack bellinger » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:54 pm

Sorry Machiel
The wife has just informed (TOLD) me

that is our wedding anniversary ....... Sally has arranged something that I should have Known ABOUT
on that Date

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby Leigh Sebba » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:53 pm

Tenuous link - on news today they were celebrating John Shepherd Barron who invented the cash dispensing machine and the first one was installed 50 years ago today. I recall he was a close relation ( brother ? )
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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby John Clarke » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:41 am

Hi Leigh

John Shepherd Barron 23.06.25 - 15.05.2010

Not tenuous - Richard SB's brother John was accredited with the invention of the ATM for which he received an OBE.
(see page 262 Morgan International Adventure II....plug,plug)

From my notes with interviewing RSB - John was 13 years Richards senior. After school at Stowe, he served during the war with the Parachute Light Regiment. He went to Uni at Edinburgh and Trinity College Cambridge. Their mother,Dorothy, played at Wimbledon 12 times, raced yachts in India and was captain of the Wightman Cup team. Their father, Wilfred was equally distinguished being a past president of the Institute of Civil Engineers (following in the footsteps of Thomas Telford, Robert Stephenson etc). He turned down a knighthood as Dorothy had been killed in a road accident.

Did you do the BBC quiz on ATMs?

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby Leigh Sebba » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:18 pm

I knew I had read it somewhere :)
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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby John Clarke » Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:36 am

You've probably noticed that my Super Sports has not been seen at the UK tracks of late........because it's now begun a new life in Switzerland!

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6625 competing in Switzerland

It is being very well looked after by the new owner although it is very sad it had to leave these shores.

So perhaps now only 6 (??) Super Sports residing in the UK.

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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby Bob Bull » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:45 am

We miss you both John! :^o
Ace Photograp…… you know!
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Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Postby Andy Downes » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:45 pm

Bill Hughes wrote:Hi All,
Just bought this photo off eBay, do not have 'The Lawrence Tune Years' (too modern for me) to see if this car was photographed much during it's career in this form.
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Well, I seem to have missed this thread first time around (or forgotten it).

The picture is indeed Goodwood in 1962 and the TT Race.

I have a book entitled Motor Racing at Goodwood in the Sixties containing that shot, the caption reads;

"Early evening sunshine bathes the Morgan Plus Four of Richard (Dickie) Shepherd-Barron after it retired from the race, it was entered by the Morgan Motor Co."

The book is a pictorial record using photographs by Tony Gardiner who went to Goodwood throughout the 1960s as an ordinary spectator, as a result there are many interesting pictures from the paddock (as well as the track) of fascinating race-cars not just the leading names of the time.

Have Fun 8-) 8-)
Andy

PS - John, I pleased that your +4 has a new lease of life, but equally sorry it has been lost to our native shores !
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