Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

For those interested in competing 4 cylinder Morgans

Moderator: John Clarke

User avatar
jack bellinger
Tech Comm
Posts: 1239
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:46 am
Location: London
Contact:

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by jack bellinger »

Machiel
looks like Goodwood to me
looking at the car ..
cant see a Rollbar or a side mirror
and it would be interesting to try and see the tyre wall
perhaps someone can recognise the tread pattern

makes you wonder what year this was taken

jack
Bill Hughes
Posts: 27
Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:44 am
Anti spam question: MSA
Location: South Wales, UK
Contact:

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by Bill Hughes »

Hi there,
Along with the photo was a slip of paper with "Dickie Shepherd-Barron's Morgan +4"
Based upon this, I looked into results online, RS-B was entered in the 18th August 1962 Goodwood Tourist Trophy in the 'Morgan Motors' team, running car number 31, DNF.
The trackside tower in the distance looks like the BP tower which shows up in contemporary shots of Goodwood.
A link to a close up of the tyre is below at max resolution (no markings visible to my eyes, but good tread pattern detail):
http://www.morganseriesone.com/170GWP/170GWPtyre.jpg
Another question, as a novice in +4SS matters, was it usual to have reversed louvres on the air inlet?
Image
Regards
Bill
machiel kalf
Posts: 217
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 9:04 am

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by machiel kalf »

Hallo Bill.,

Yes, the louvres are correct.

I have the set of 2 books named: A record of motor racing at Goodwood by Robert Barker.. This book is fenomenal if it comes to information about all the races ever at Goodwood.
I checked the date 18th of August 1962. At 3.00 pm that day there was a 100 lap race: 27th RAC Tourist Trophy. With Le Mans start.
The Morgan team:
Start number 31: Richard Shepherd Barron, Morgan +4 (no reg. number mentioned) the car broke down in lap 35.
Start number 32: Pip Arnold, Morgan +4 (XRX5) (I am not sure this reg. number is correct......ended at the 14 place after 83 laps
Start number 33: Chris Lawrence Morgan +4 (TOK258) ended 8th after 89 laps.

What you see that they never talked about Morgan +4 SUPER SPORTS!! They annouced them as +4. What's, to my opnion, is correct.

Bill, and all others who read this: If you have the possibility to come to the SPARE FAIR, Abbey Hotel, Malvern: Date: 26th of February. Starts: 10.00 am.

The Morgan Historic Register has a stand! We love to meet you there!!

Machiel.
machiel kalf
Posts: 217
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 9:04 am

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by machiel kalf »

Hallo Jack,

Well, the start number is correct if you compair it with the records I have of that race at Goodwood: 18th of August, 1962. That's 2 months after Le Mans!

How interesting this all is!

Do we see you at the Spare Fair? 26th of February. Abbey Hotel?

Best regards,

Machiel.
machiel kalf
Posts: 217
Joined: Thu May 03, 2007 9:04 am

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by machiel kalf »

Dear All,

Bill was to kind to make a good quality scan of the photo he showed us. I made a print of it. After that I went to my archive to put that print in it.
There I found something interesting about the same weekend at Goodwood. I have another, not very good "photo" with all the 3 Morgans who where in the same team, on it. Some young boys where looking at the cars/ Morgans.

Interesting was an email of Richard Shepherd Barron where he explaines where the nickname "Dickie" came from:

"Dickie", - well, all a stupid story. I worked in 1958/59/60 with Thomson & Taylor (Brooklands) Ltd at Cobham and Blyfleet in Surrey. They were then the Alfa Romeo concessionaires for The UK (remember I was racing an Alfa) and as well as the garage at Cobham their works at Byfleet could make literally anything- including the Brooklands Napier-Ralton and John Cobb's car that took the World land speed record after WWII. Many years later, Ron Dennis of McLaren started working there as an apprentice!
Anyway, The General Manager there used to call me "Dickie" as a joke- unfortunaly, Raymond Baxter of the BBC heard this and used it in a friendly way in his TV commentaries. Friends and family thought it was hilarious and it didn't mind. Penny used to say that if someone said to her "Oh, I know your husband Dickie very well" then it meant he didn't .............

A great story!

Let's hope more photos are popping up.......

Best regards, Machiel.
User avatar
jack bellinger
Tech Comm
Posts: 1239
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:46 am
Location: London
Contact:

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by jack bellinger »

Sorry Machiel
The wife has just informed (TOLD) me

that is our wedding anniversary ....... Sally has arranged something that I should have Known ABOUT
on that Date

in trouble jack
Leigh Sebba
Morgan Class C
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:09 am

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by Leigh Sebba »

Tenuous link - on news today they were celebrating John Shepherd Barron who invented the cash dispensing machine and the first one was installed 50 years ago today. I recall he was a close relation ( brother ? )
User avatar
John Clarke
Posts: 527
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:19 pm
Anti spam question: MSA
Location: New Zealand/Great Missenden UK

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by John Clarke »

Hi Leigh

John Shepherd Barron 23.06.25 - 15.05.2010

Not tenuous - Richard SB's brother John was accredited with the invention of the ATM for which he received an OBE.
(see page 262 Morgan International Adventure II....plug,plug)

From my notes with interviewing RSB - John was 13 years Richards senior. After school at Stowe, he served during the war with the Parachute Light Regiment. He went to Uni at Edinburgh and Trinity College Cambridge. Their mother,Dorothy, played at Wimbledon 12 times, raced yachts in India and was captain of the Wightman Cup team. Their father, Wilfred was equally distinguished being a past president of the Institute of Civil Engineers (following in the footsteps of Thomas Telford, Robert Stephenson etc). He turned down a knighthood as Dorothy had been killed in a road accident.

Did you do the BBC quiz on ATMs?

john
Leigh Sebba
Morgan Class C
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:09 am

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by Leigh Sebba »

I knew I had read it somewhere :)
User avatar
John Clarke
Posts: 527
Joined: Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:19 pm
Anti spam question: MSA
Location: New Zealand/Great Missenden UK

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by John Clarke »

You've probably noticed that my Super Sports has not been seen at the UK tracks of late........because it's now begun a new life in Switzerland!

Image
6625 competing in Switzerland

It is being very well looked after by the new owner although it is very sad it had to leave these shores.

So perhaps now only 6 (??) Super Sports residing in the UK.

cheers

john
8-)
User avatar
Bob Bull
Posts: 2959
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:46 am
Location: Luton, Beds.

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by Bob Bull »

We miss you both John! :^o
Ace Photograp…… you know!
Regards
User avatar
Andy Downes
Posts: 602
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:45 am
Anti spam question: MSA
Location: Sunny Staverton !

Re: Morgan +4 Super Sports and +4+

Post by Andy Downes »

Bill Hughes wrote:Hi All,
Just bought this photo off eBay, do not have 'The Lawrence Tune Years' (too modern for me) to see if this car was photographed much during it's career in this form.
Image
Regards
Bill
Well, I seem to have missed this thread first time around (or forgotten it).

The picture is indeed Goodwood in 1962 and the TT Race.

I have a book entitled Motor Racing at Goodwood in the Sixties containing that shot, the caption reads;

"Early evening sunshine bathes the Morgan Plus Four of Richard (Dickie) Shepherd-Barron after it retired from the race, it was entered by the Morgan Motor Co."

The book is a pictorial record using photographs by Tony Gardiner who went to Goodwood throughout the 1960s as an ordinary spectator, as a result there are many interesting pictures from the paddock (as well as the track) of fascinating race-cars not just the leading names of the time.

Have Fun 8-) 8-)
Andy

PS - John, I pleased that your +4 has a new lease of life, but equally sorry it has been lost to our native shores !
'Skipper'
Post Reply