Series 1 - Standard Special

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Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby TonyLees » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:44 pm

Does anyone know the torque settings for the cylinder head?
And is blue hylomar still the goo of choice?
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Richard Clement » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:40 am

Tony,

I Just looked in 'The Morgan Four Wheeler Workshop Manual' +4, 4/4 Series 1 & 4/4 Series II, that was compiled and written by John Dowdeswell and unfortunately there is nothing listed torque setting wise for your engine!

Then I looked in The Autobooks Morgan Four Owners Workshop Manual Autobook 796 By R Clarke, and it only lists torque settings for Series II onwards!

It might be worth contacting the Standard Motor Club.

Sorry I cant be of more help.

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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Barry Sumner » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:26 am

Tony
I have used blue hylomar on solid copper head gaskets without any problems, but would suggest that you use the spray can version, that way you get a nice even coating which helps it to all clamp down evenly.
I have used one other make but the name escapes me at present
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby TonyLees » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:20 am

thanks. I have done it in the past but my brain is fading - would 40ftlbs ring a bell?
the trouble is that it is a standard engine but with a special "morgan only" OHV head :x
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Barry Sumner » Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:59 pm

Tony
What size are the studs
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Mark Shears » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:53 pm

Hi Tony and Barry,

Was it Wellseal?

That's what we use - it's supposed to be the dogs do dahs!

I will ask John Clarke if he knows the head torque settings. He is in contact with a guy who specialises in them. (But probably not with the Morgan head!)

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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby TonyLees » Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:58 pm

result!
I tracked down Roger Comber - he of the ex-works short-chassis standard special BWP 47.
40 ft lbs if one's studs and nuts are good enough.
wellseal preferred.
his engine revs to 5K rpm! ooer!
so now you know :-)
thanks for all suggestions chaps, much appreciated.
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Dave Sapp » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:01 pm

Hi Tony

I've used 42-46 ft lbs for the head nuts on mine. I too could not find any figures for the SS engine so resorted to my Triumph Herald manual. The SS engine is the predecessor to the TH engine and so I used the TH figures. I used to use the spray Hylomar on my X-flow head gaskets but have not had the head off for some years now and the can was empty. I have been using Stag Wellseal jointing compound on the SS head gaskets. I've had a few problems with the head and am now on to the 3rd engine rebuild in 3 months and still using the same gasket I started with! The compound cleans off nicely with Stick Stuff Remover. Engine removal/stripping down/cleaning/rebuilding/replacement is starting to become second nature to me now. I've only managed to do 100 miles since completeing the rebuild and would like to do more. I'm sure the head problem will be overcome soon. Hope this helps.
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby TonyLees » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:04 pm

Hi Dave,
I'm not sure you are the man as yours keeps falling apart... but practice makes perfect ;-)
When are you next in snowy Leicestershire?
I can offer beer and history.
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Dave Sapp » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:10 pm

Hi Tony

I was up there last Sunday (NCM meeting) and I'm not taking any blame for a hole in the new head which I've had to get fixed again. Have to go back and use the original head I think. That only had a crack in the top surface.
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby TonyLees » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:25 pm

As ever, timing is everything...
Solid copper or copper/asbestos?
I'm thinking that others may be bored by now - may I give you a call?
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Dave Sapp » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:30 pm

No problem Tony. I'll e-mail you OG.
Dave

P.S. I too have been talking to Roger Comber, about an hour and a half on the phone!!
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Barry Sumner » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:52 pm

Hour and a half on the phone thats short!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Series 1 - Standard Special

Postby Dave Sapp » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:43 pm

Hi Barry

It may have been short, but it was very productive. I wish I had spoken to him 3 years ago just after I got the car. May have saved me some problems.

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